DEEP PURPLE DIGEST #70
??? subscribers and counting...
Special Mitzi Dupree issue!!! Whoo-hoo!!!
In this issue:
A word from the Editor...
HOBL remaster-1
HOBL-2
MitziE Dupree
Mitzi's history
Geoff Nichols, Rick Emerson, and DPAS
Is DP becoming another Grateful Dead?
Celeb D-match suggestions
Mitzi's history -2
HOBL-3
Concerto for Group and Orchestra review
8th Star
Darker Than Blue
Gillan CD review
If only they played...
Deep Purple Stuff
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From the Editor, Dean Webb: dplist(at-a-domain-named)deep-purple.com
OK, we got the new email set up and there are still a few bugs to work out,
it seems, but do bear with us! If you wanted to unsubscribe, be patient if
you get this message by mistake. If you wanted to subscribe, be patient if
you don't get this issue. I got a few of the subscribe/unsubscribe requests
from the majordomo and I'll work with Svante on them after he gets back
from his weekend.
Thanks again to Svante and Netch.Se for supplying the deep-purple.com
stuff! I thank YOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!
I also gotta figure out a way to keep track of subscribers now that it's no
longer automatic...
In other news, my son is definitely a Purple fan! I had Deepest Purple on
the other day and he walked in around when "Black Night" was half-way
through and jammed away with me until "Smoke on the Water" was finished at
the end. He had *no idea* who it was, I didn't call him in; he just showed
up and loved what he heard! (Just for comparison, the next day, I put on
Heart's Little Queen. He never saw the cover, yet before he even heard the
first vocals on "Barracuda" told me that that song was for girls... spooky,
eh?) Well, he's been having trouble eating all his supper lately, so I put
on CD2 from LATO tonight... He cleaned his plate before "Speed King" was
over!
Who knew DP were expert child psychologists?
On with the digest, now!
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-----Original Message-----
From: John LaRocque [mailto:larocque(at-a-domain-named)chrs.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:15 AM
To: Deep Purple Digest
Cc: Jouni Maho; Stephen LaRocque
Subject: DP HOBL Remaster
I am pasting the original HOBL vinyl and CD timings, courtes of
www.deep-purple.com. Then, in the finyl column, added in Mark White's CD
timings for the remaster. Now, remember, the original vinyl LP featured
shorter cuts than the original CD:
Bad attitude (Blackmore/Gillan/Glover/Lord) 4.43 / 5.04 / 4.46
The unwritten law (Blackmore/Gillan/Glover/Paice) 4.35 / 4.54 / 4.37
Call of the wild (Blackmore/Gillan/Glover/Lord) 4.40 / 4.48 / 4.53
Mad dog (Blackmore/Gillan/Glover) 4.31 / 4.36 / 4.34
Black & white (Blackmore/Gillan/Glover/Lord) 3.44 / 4.39 / 3.42
Hard lovin' woman (Blackmore/Gillan/Glover) 3.23 / 3.25 / 3.25
The Spanish archer (Blackmore/Gillan/Glover) 4.57 / 5.31 / 4.59
Strangeways (Blackmore/Gillan/Glover) 5.55 / 7.36 / 5.58
Mitzi Dupree (Blackmore/Gillan/Glover) 5.02 / 5.05 / 5.05
Dead or alive (Blackmore/Gillan/Glover) 4.44 / 5.00 / 4.42
Based on timings reported in the DP digest, and the numbers in the first
column, I can only conclude one thing. They remastered the shorter vinyl
cuts for the CD! Idiots.
John LaRocque
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Reichberg [mailto:reichberg(at-a-domain-named)hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:16 AM
To: dplist(at-a-domain-named)geocities.com
Subject: re:Warning about HOBL remaster
Are the timings on the remastered CD the same as the timings on the
original
LP? I never bought the CD, so to me "Strangeways" has never been longer
than
around five minutes.
Daniel
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Douglas White [mailto:whitemd(at-a-domain-named)earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 12:48 PM
To: dplist(at-a-domain-named)geocities.com
Subject: Mitzi Dupree
The Editor wrote:
>At least they didn't touch my darling, Mitzi Dupree!
Well, they did add an 'e' to the end of Mitzi... :)
Later,
Mark
{Dean "I Love Mitzi, too!" Webb: I'LL KILL THEM DEAD!!!}
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hatheway-SSI [mailto:thathewa(at-a-domain-named)ssi.samsung.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 12:31 PM
To: 'dplist(at-a-domain-named)geocities.com'
Subject: Mitzi Dupree
>{BUTCHERY!!! Some could be attributed to just clipping the fade-outs, but
a
>minute from Black & White? 32 sec from Spanish Archer? 1:37 FROM
>STRANGEWAYS?!?!?!?!? No way, dude! At least they didn't touch my darling,
>Mitzi Dupree! (BONUS QUESTION: Where did Ian Gillan get the inspiration
for
>Mitzi Dupree? Winner becomes a Microsoft Certified Deep Purple Fan
>(MCDPF)!)}
Ian met Mitzi on a plane flight while touring.
She, of course, is a stripper' who had a trick with
ping pong balls....
TomH
SunnyvaleCA
{And who was he on tour with...??? answer later this issue!}
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-----Original Message-----
From: I S E [mailto:isentertainment(at-a-domain-named)juno.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 8:58 AM
To: dplist(at-a-domain-named)geocities.com
Subject: Stuff
Howdy,
Still in recovery from the weekend of Ozz-Fest here in Detroit. Wished
you all could have been there to see it but then again maybe you don't
even like Sabbath:). In any case, I did get to rap with Geoff Nichols
about some of the post Sabbath plans and he asked me not to say exactly
what was up but he did tell me that he and Tony will continue their
relationship and, hopefully, tour for Tony's solo album. Speculation was
made about a singer (can you guess who? well, can you? I ain't
saying!:)) and who else would be involved and, again, I can't say
because there are those who would start phoning up or E-mailing people
and the next thing you know I would be having these awkward encounters
with drummers backstage and phone calls from their "manager". . ., awe,
thats another story for another time. Anyway, Geoff also told me that he
thinks Jon Lord and Keith Emerson did everything that could ever be done
with a Hammond organ so he sticks to polyphonic synthesizers. Oh, yeah
he signed my Seventh Star CD. (I'm just not dropping anymore hints damn
it!) Did I manage to make this Deep Purple-ish enough for inclusion?
Also, just got my copy of "Darker Than Blue" does anybody else subscribe?
I'd be interested to know what others think of this Deep Purple
Appreciation Society Journal.
Take care all,
Dave
{Who would be singing with Iommi? I can't think of anyone... WAIT! I
KNOW!!! ***TOM JONES***!!! Excellent!}
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Webb [mailto:deanwebb(at-a-domain-named)geocities.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:33 PM
To: dplist(at-a-domain-named)deep-purple.com
Subject: Is Deep Purple becoming another Grateful Dead?
Not that it would be a bad thing...
But think about it... Lots of touring, long solos, and the clincher: a
varied and unpredictable setlist. I don't mean they don't just not open
with "Highway Star" every time; they are really changing things up, almost
from night to night. (At the very least, from live album to live album.) I
think it's nice to know that speculation about Mk2 or
MkWhateverTheHeckItIsTheseDays material getting performed live actually has
a shot of becoming true. It's good to see this variety, as it means the
band is still interested in making music and not just in playing it for old
times' sake (I could mention names, but this isn't the Black Sabbath
list... Oops! That's a giveaway!).
Seriously, the comparison to Sabbath does warrant itself. BS are touring,
playing quite well, but there's a certain sense that they're all going to
ride off when the sun sets on the sage. Their setlist is pretty tightly
set, and that has disappointed more than a few fans. They're great and all,
but I get the feeling like they're coasting along. DP, on the other hand,
are continuing to make new stuff, incorporate it into their setlist, dig up
oldies but goodies, and still manage to play SOTW, SK, and HS for the
umpteenth zillionth time and still make it sound alive and well. Ian Gillan
is not afraid to forget words to a wider repertoire of cuts!
Were DP STILL playing the 1973 set, I would feel that the band's legacy
would be best served by a farewell tour and enforced retirement of the
name. But the fact that you could pick up LATO and MiJ and notice key
differences, even in the way the old standards are treated, it just speaks
well of the continuing long, strange trip Deep Purple is taking.
(Speaking of long and strange, Subotai is eagerly anticipating the
Mongolian leg of the current tour. Should be quite interesting!)
Dean Webb
{Postscript: I was cruising around on deep-purple.com the other day and
noticed, on the staff page, Roger Glover was wearing a hat with the Dead's
"Steal Your Face" logo on it... I think I'm on to something, here!}
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Swoboda [mailto:Tom_Swoboda(at-a-domain-named)compuserve.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 1:31 AM
To: DPD
Subject: Celebrity Deathmatch Suggestions
Okay, so Talking Heads weren't such a hot idea. :) Two bands came to
mind recently, and, well, I don't know =why= I didn't think of them
earlier. One has covered DP, and the other was influenced by 'em to some
extent.
Dean mentioned one in the last issue: Iron Maiden. Anyone who likes
DP's faster numbers like Fireball, Speed King, Burn, etc., will probably
like Iron Maiden. For those who don't know, they released their S/T album
in 1980, and after changing rhythm guitarists (bringing in the excellent
Adrian Smith, who also played a few lead parts) and releasing a second
album with their first singer, Paul Di'Anno, they opted to boot Di'Anno and
bring in Bruce Bruce from the band Samson, who began using his real name,
Bruce Dickinson. (Now THAT'S a problematic sentence, oh well %$#! it.)
Thus was the lineup for their infamous 1982 record, _The Number of the
Beast._ (Clive Burr drums, Dave Murray lead guitar.)
They changed drummers (bringing in Nicko McBrain, still with 'em
today) in '83 for Piece of Mind, and this was the classic Maiden lineup
that went on to record four studio albums and one live album. Their
founding member, Steve Harris, is in my estimation the finest bass
guitarist ever. He ATTACKS that thing. I prefer finger-bassists to begin
with, but Harris (IMHO) puts even Cliff Burton to shame. Steve hits those
strings at a million miles an hour, creating a galloping sound that I
haven't heard anyone even try to imitate. While other Maiden members have
written a few of their standards, Steve has always been the lyrical
backbone of the band. He wrote "The Number of the Beast" (the one Dean was
quoting :)) about a dream he had in which he witnessed a human sacrifice;
and, well, a lot of other songs. Dave Murray, their phenomenal lead
player, has also been in the band since their first album.
Smith left in 1990, and they replaced him with Janick Gers. I've
heard he was good on Gillan's _Magic_ (and soon I'll hear for myself), but
in Maiden he just plain sucks. When Bruce left amicably in early '93,
replacing him with a complete incompetent didn't help matters much, either
(Blayze Bayley from Wolfsbane). Bruce and Adrian have now returned (after
releasing two PHENOMENAL albums together in '97 and '98), but Gers is still
there. They're gonna try it as a six piece .
Anyway, on to my other suggestion: Dream Theater. Their first album,
_When Dream and Day Unite_, came out in 1989. IMO this is an excellent
album, but the singer (Charlie Dominici) really wasn't up to the task. I
say that because the others are simply four of the most talented musicians
you're ever likely to find. Mike Portnoy, their drummer, is basically a
Neil Peart clone, making him pretty damn good in my book. John Petrucci
plays guitar, John Myung bass (another finger bassist), and their original
keyboardist was Kevin Moore.
They booted Dominici, and brought in James LaBrie. _Images and Words_
('91) has been hailed as a progressive rock masterpiece, basically defining
the genre of progressive metal. _Awake_ ('94) is also a great album,
probably better than IAW if you're a metal fan, though IAW is the album of
choice for prog rock fans. They were playing a 20+ opus at their live
shows at this point ("A Change of Seasons") and cut a studio version in
'95. To bring the new CD up to EP length, they added some songs from an
all cover songs gig they'd played in London, which included :
Perfect Strangers. Incidentally, Bruce Dickinson has also performed PS
with them (twice, I believe), but you'll only find it on bootlegs. Uh,
let's just say it kicks butt. If you're a DP fan, buy _A Change of
Seasons_. You won't be sorry.
Moore had split by this point, and was replaced by Derek Sherrinian.
1997's _Falling Into Infinity_ was a lengthy but lackluster (IMO) album,
but Sherrinian has since gotten the boot (many blamed him for the band's
recent shortcomings) so maybe the next one will be better.
Anyway, whutch ya'll think?
--T.J.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Sommer [mailto:sharkie59(at-a-domain-named)hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 1:32 AM
To: dplist(at-a-domain-named)geocities.com
Subject: Mitzi Dupree
Ian got the inspiration for this song whilst on an flight to saltlake city.
Hw sat in seat no. 3B, and in seat no. 3A sat a woman who told him of the
things she can do with a ping pong ball (Watch the movie: Priscilla, Queen
of the desert, to know what i mean.).
She claimed that she had invented that trick herself, but Ian had witnessed
in a few months earlier, although he didnt have the heart to tell her.
So, what does this membership give me? How bout free cd's or a trip with
backstage passes to a Purple show? Dean?!?
Paul Sommer
sharkie59(at-a-domain-named)hotmail.com
{Well, since there's a tie, we'll have to have a tiebreaker... Besides Burn
and Machine Head, name another album that acknowledges Claude Nobs (the
more you can list, the better!)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Trond J. Strøm [mailto:trondjs(at-a-domain-named)yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 3:01 AM
To: Deep Purple Digest
Subject: Re: Warning about HOBL remaster
Mark D. White wrote about the timings on the
remastered House of Blue Light CD being considerably
shorter than the original CD.
I think I have the explanation; they must by accident
(read: total ****-up and ignorance on the record
company's side) used the master for the LP version for
this remaster! The LP release of this album was some
minutes shorter than the CD version, indeed all songs
were a bit shorter, and I think the timings you listed
looks familiar!
In other words, what a waste of plastic.
Cheers,
===
--
Trond J. Strøm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Webb [mailto:deanwebb(at-a-domain-named)geocities.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 8:05 AM
To: dplist at deep-purple
Subject: Concerto for Group and Orchestra review
This album has always been a quirky little fave of mine, even though at
times it sounds more like Jethro Tull than Deep Purple (not a bad thing in
and of itself, mind you... just different). In Rock or Machine Head it
ain't. This is more of the kind of thing one would do as a solo project
than as an effort a band would want to get into full-time, especially if
that band is Deep Purple.
It's hard to critically appraise the album, as it really isn't a rock
record, and it's not a totally serious orchestral piece. As a composer, Jon
Lord kept this concerto safe and traditional-sounding, not drawing on
influences from Stravinsky, Ligeti, or Schoenberg and their polyphonic and
atonal works. It is not adventurous in its themes and it certainly is not
on the same level as the masterworks of Beethoven or Handel. Then again,
Lord never intended it to be on that level.
What he did intend was for it to be FUN, and it definitely succeeds on
that level many times. The first movement is the most witty, with the
orchestra and band in conflict, almost like PDQ Bach's "Concerto for Two
Unfriendly Groups of Instruments". It is here that we learn the adventure
is not in the music itself, but in *how* the music is played between the
rock combo and the orchestra. The second movement is the obligatory slow
one between the two faster ones, and features vocals from Ian Gillan. I
could not help but notice that his style was very much sounding like Rod
Evans. It would be interesting to compare the two note-for-note on that
little ballad from the second movement. Evans would probably be stronger
technically, but Gillan was a warmth and emotion in his singing that is
often absent in Evans' work. Thank goodness, though, the band didn't keep
singing mushy pop like what was in the second movement!
The third movement is faster-paced and includes a drum solo for Paice that
pulls in the percussion section toward the end. That is DEFINITELY cool.
This movement starts off the most Tull-like, but ends on a very Purple
note. Immediately after, I had a desire to put on the tracks available on
Powerhouse from that same night that featured the band doing "Hush", "Wring
That Neck", and "Child in Time". I felt it ironic that I would prefer the
openers to the main event, but such is life, eh? Deep Purple was primarily
a rock band and this concerto was but a diversion for them all. The passion
and fire in "Child in Time" played before the concerto is truly amazing and
shows where the band's collective heart truly was.
Since I bumped my CTTB rating up to an 8, I won't compare it to that
album. I'll leave off the opening trio of tunes as well, as I wish to rate
the music available in the album proper. I suppose I'd have to give it a 4,
as it really isn't DP-type stuff and it really isn't redeemable as a
serious orchestral work. This should not discourage you from picking it up
one day, as it really is a fun bit of music. It is a novelty among the DP
catalog, and should be definitely considered for the serious fan's
collection. If it came down to a choice of getting this one, Slaves and
Masters, or Last Concert in Japan, I'd take this one, but only because it
was a choice between those other two. Put LATO in the mix and my money's
going there faster than you can say "sforzando"! Anyway, summing up: I give
it a 4, but it's a *good* 4.
Dean Webb
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-----Original Message-----
From: masser of reality [mailto:masser(at-a-domain-named)earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:33 AM
To: Deep Purple Digest
Subject: Re: Deep Purple Digest #69
dean (and all on the dp digest), the eighth star is only available as a
boot
, the limited edition is i think a professional version of the boot with
inserts maybe lettering on the cd, but it's still a boot unfortunately.
hope that helps!
kevin
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-----Original Message-----
From: I S E [mailto:isentertainment(at-a-domain-named)juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 6:06 AM
To: dplist(at-a-domain-named)deep-purple.com
Subject: Gillan CD Review
GILLAN
"The Gillan Tapes Vol 2"
4/5
As the title suggests, this is the second installment of studio outtakes
and alternative versions from the all too short-lived GILLAN. What I
wouldn't give to take a run through John McCoy's attic. Actually, it
would seem that endeavor is unnecessary given the rate at which McCoy has
been packaging up these sets and God bless him for it. This is an
amazing collection from an amazing band that left the scene far too
early.
Ian Gillan is the voice of British hard rock and though his work with
DEEP PURPLE shall remain his hallmark, these tapes of the GILLAN band
show that he need not have had a Blackmore to fence with in order to make
musical sparks.
"Second Sight" is a two-minute ditty that leads into "Future Shock" and
some incredible guitar courtesy of Bernie Torme. The pair open the CD as
if it were a live performance and set the tone for all that is to come,
that is to say, very tight, live sounding numbers that have an excitement
about them that you don't find on most studio recordings. If the slow
fadeouts where to be replaced by crowd noise you could easily mistake
this for a live recording. To say that the band is tight is coming up
way short of the mark. And so it is for the rest of the disc's twenty
tracks with one minor exception . . .
"Post Fade Brain Damage" is so studio and laid back that it is better
than Nytol for me. Fortunately, there is "You're so Right" to wake
things up again.
Something that was not expected and what makes this package even more
valuable to GILLAN fans is the chance to get in on the writing process of
the band via "Pre Brain Fade Damage." You can even hear Ian mumbling
along trying to figure out where he should put lyrics or even what they
should be.
More rare photos and comments on each number from McCoy only add to this
extraordinary musical experience and, once again, I can only hope for
another in this series. How's 'bout an alternative or live version of
"Unchain Your Brain" on the next one John?
DAVID
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bolinhed(at-a-domain-named)aol.com [mailto:Bolinhed(at-a-domain-named)aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 9:21 PM
To: dplist(at-a-domain-named)deep-purple.com
Subject: Re: This is a new development.
In a message dated 7/1/99 10:13:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dplist(at-a-domain-named)deep-purple.com writes:
<< How much is a DTB sub? If not too much, I'd consider getting a piece of
that action... >>
I have no idea, I just sent 'em the credit card and let it roll. It was 20
pounds and I never looked to see what that translated to or how many issues
I
got for it. Yeah, I'm pretty financially sharp. D'oh! It probably says
somewhere on the DPAS site. It IS a great mag though, issues 50 and 51 have
enough actual text to be books!! Jim
{We agree, therefore, that the DPAS mag is way cool! I plan to sub real
soon.}
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-----Original Message-----
From: Heikki Heino [mailto:heikki.heino(at-a-domain-named)mailis.rkol.fi]
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 3:54 AM
To: Deep Purple Digest
Subject: If only they played...
Hi all
Here are (some of) the Gillan-era DP songs I'd like to hear them play live:
1. Demon's Eye - my all time DP fave!
2. Hard Lovin' Man - I wonder what Steve could do with his guitar on this
track
3. Wasted Sunsets - a nice ballad from Perfect Strangers
4. Mitzi Dupree - nice blues from HoBL
They could also include the following songs as outros:
Mandrake Root - remember how it made Space Truckin' last over 20 minutes
Owed To 'G' - just as a nod to Tommy Bolin
Heikki
{"Owed to G" is a great choice! Why didn't I think of that earlier???
Hmmm...
I think it's unanimous, though: We need them to do Mitzi Dupree, ASAP! We
promise to sing REALLY LOUD in case Big Ian forgets the lyrics! Personally,
I consider it to be the first song from the Purpendicular album, coming
right before "Ted the Mechanic". Do we need to put a petition together?}
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wiktor Jachacz [mailto:Wiktor.Jachacz(at-a-domain-named)bbs.chip.pl]
Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 6:42 AM
To: dplist(at-a-domain-named)deep-purple.com
Subject: Deep Purple stuff
Hi !
I write to you because I have big collection.Now I will "leave" it and I
have many, many, many items by Deep Purple-espwecialy from East
Europe(Jugoslavia, Poland, East Germany.....................) So I can send
to you long list of Deep Purple items-part are very
rare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So write to me please if you are interested in my list. If not maybe you
have any e-mails to other collectors.
So all best for you and your family!
All best for you!
Wiktor.Jachacz(at-a-domain-named)bbs.chip.pl
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